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Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby heretic » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:14 pm

This will probably be covered in one of the Direct-to-video things but there are only so many possibilities to work with.

  • Internal Exile, AKA the Siberian Option:[list:
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  • Face it, there were probably a whole lot of cells, fortresses, prisons, isolated islands, even manors befitting one of palatine rank in Fire Lord Azulon's domain where those who needed to be disappeared but for some reason were to be left alive can be stored well out of sight. Doubt she is anywhere in the capital, and the Boiling Rock was far too high profile, but some isolated provencial camp far off the beaten path could easily contain any number of officially nameless persons.[/list:u:
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  • Earth Kingdom (Biggest and closest dumping ground, with a large and heterogenous population):
    • She did not do the high-level defector thing (if she did, word of Zuko's banishment would have reached her and she would have at least tried to get in touch with Iroh) and going by her own name/title otherwise would have gotten her imprisoned or lynched, but with the number of refugees a woman with a plausably vague tale of being some poor soul's half-breed bastard (presuming she needed to explain the eyes at all) could have readily blended in to a number of towns/settlements/slums. She might even get away with a partial truth of fleeing the Fire Nation ahead of a noose for murdering a man of influence to protect her son.
      • Of course if she settled down for a new life, the end of the War and rise of the new Fire Lord will turn it upside down as soon as the news hits. In Short: Hilarity Insues (esp. if there is a new family).[/list:u:
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      • Many have speculated that Ursa is either an impressive firebender in her own right or skilled at fighting. If she fell prey to desperation or dispair as her son did, she too may have used these abilities and resorted to bandity. If this is the case she could well have ended up a brigand, a common sellsword/assassin, or a bounty hunter.
        • No, I doubt she is Jun. They could well know of each other though, indeed they may [i:
        • ]know each other... well.
      • Alternately, she may have been right under everyone's nose.
      • "I am Joo Di, welcome to Ba Sing Se...."

    • Southern Water Tribe:
      • BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA... hey, this is less improbable than one would think. Said tribe was split up among a number of tiny villiages right around the time of That Fateful Night(tm), so one of them holding an outlander as a captive/guest/thrall/adoptee is not to be dismissed out of hand. Still, Hakoda was in contact with all of them and even if she was under an alias once he heard Zuko's story the timeframes would match up enough for the man to would at least pass the information to him. [/list:u:
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      • Northern Water Tribe:
        • Pretty unlikely. There is next to no chance of her fading into the background there, and while she could be under an alias and avoided imprisonment as a spy the place seems small/insular enough for an immigrant that looks like a Fire Nation noblewoman to be at least mentioned in passing while the place is being invaded.[/list:u:
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        • A shallow grave in the hills above the Fire Nation capital:
          • What, would you actually put that past [b:
          • ]Ozai?

        Discuss.

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Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby Snake of the South » Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:27 am

Well I would say she could be anywhere. She wouldn't have contacted Zuko/Iroh though probably because she felt she would put them in danger. Or that she may get in the way. She loved Zuko alot, so she definately would not do anything that would risk his life in any sort of way. Point is, Ursa is probably out there somewhere. Most likely somewhere in the Earth Kingdom though. Not much reason to go back to the Fire Nation except watch over Zuko, who got banished anyway from there.

Good post though. I honestly expected this post to seriously just say "where iz ursa?!?!" hah hah.
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Postby Renori Fa » Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:53 am

Nice theories, I think the most likely is the Earth Kingdom one. Shes probably living pretty low and staying out of contact, if people found out she was the fire lords wife, lets just say it wouldnt be good for her.....
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Postby WaterBending_Monk » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:17 am

Nice theories. I would say she has been staying out of the public since she was banished but since zuko is in charge of the fire nation now, ursa might return.

I had a theory that the order of the white lotus was keeping ursa hidden until ozai and azula got out of power.
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Postby Renori Fa » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:19 am

I think the Order was just recently called back into action though with Iroh?

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Postby RongNuShii » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:33 am

Ursa is probobaly in hiding like Monk said. Waiting for the right time to go out in public.
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Postby avataraang » Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:33 pm

Ursa is probably in hiding or in a prison like the boiling rock (But I dont think she'd be there, Zuko would have probably found out.) or maybe she found the White Lotus but Iroh didnt tell Zuko about it.....
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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby Tobias » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:28 pm

You really think Zukos and Azulas mom is one of the 1000s of Joo Dees?
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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby waterbender4winter » Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:36 am

Interesting... id say most likely in the earth kingdom! i mean she would be reognised in the fire nation, and she would be a loner in the water tribes and if she was in the air nomad places she would find it very dificult to live! so as a wise man once said (iroh and zuko) earth nation it is!
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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby Niiro-dono » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:28 pm

Why don't Zuko just hire Jun and her Shirshu, Nya to track down Ursa? Zuko surely has something that used to belong to his mother. Although scent does wear-off over the years, I would think it's still possible for Nya to track down Ursa with just a faint scent from the object.
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Postby thespiritguru » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:03 pm

i'm with you there Niiro-dono we really don't know where she is afterall a couple of seconds of zuko's happiness obv didn't compare to all the time needed to write in draw and animate Ursa's part at the end i mean didn't you like the ending it left you with a sure cliff hanger of zuko demanding her whereabouts, after all it migh tbe speculation but she could be in the third avatar movie ? :P
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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby Zutarafan101 » Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:51 am

My sister came up with the theory that Ursa was probably dead. But I don't think she is because, if Ozai told him what happened to her, Zuko wouldn't have been in a good mood at his Uncles teashop right after the scene where he asks Ozai where she was.
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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby Tera253 » Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:39 am

trufax: one of the episodes of Avatar Korra is titled "skeleton in the closet"

THEORY: that skeleton is Ursa.

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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby Zutarafan101 » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:15 pm

Thats a little creepy....

Why would she be in a closet???
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Postby Tera253 » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:21 pm

Ozai had to hide the body somewhere, and surely the Fire Nation Palace is big enough to have plenty of closets that people don't check very often.

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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby Zutarafan101 » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:28 pm

Yeah, that makes sense. But wasn't she banished?
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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby Tera253 » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:35 pm

yes. banished to the closet where she was locked in, and she died.

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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby silverlily » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:22 am

That kind of creeps me out. I wonder how dark the series is going to get when it comes to Ursa?
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Postby Zutarafan101 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:23 am

Now this discussion is starting to really creep me out.
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Postby Count of Monte Fisto » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:50 am

Another way for saying banished in the closet would be saying trapped in the closed.

Trapped in the Closet, nuff said. :B
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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby Zutarafan101 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:27 pm

Ok, trapped in a closet. I'm still confused as to how she got in the closet. If it is her.
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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby silverlily » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:00 pm

The phrase "skeleton in the closet" usually means "a secret that someone has been hiding." So she may not actually be in a closet, but I think we can assume that the title is meant to be ominous.
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Postby Zutarafan101 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:16 pm

That makes a lot more sense.
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Postby silverlily » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:35 pm

Glad I could help. ;)
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Re: Okay, where the heck _is_ Ursa?

Postby Zutarafan101 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:40 pm

Anyway, I think that sometime in between The Last Airbender and Legend Of Korra, Zuko either finds his mother somewhere, or finds out that she died somewhere. Or maybe she comes back to the Fire Nation after Zuko is crowned Fire Lord.
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