aang and zuko slightly related??

by **cerebralassassin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:48 am

Signs of Zuko turning good have been thrown out all throughout the show...

by **Kuku** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:06 am

Your right...but if Aang is an extension of Roku...then Aang would be an extension of Zuko...since the Avatar is the spirit of the earth incarnated within a body...Aang...in reality...is related to everyone...EVEN KATARA...EWWWW...according to the Swamp Guy...

nah.....it's new life, no relation whatsoever and that's it!

by **cerebralassassin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:37 am

Uh...ok...but I still stand by my opinion...

by **anneavatard** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:47 am

New life, but a recycled spirit.
I don't think Aang will recognise Zuko as a family member of any sort. Wouldn't he have done so before?
I have to say, there are some hilarious gagstrips out there featuring greatgrandpa Aang and Zuko...

by **Pleh** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:46 am

Signs of Zuko turning good have been thrown out all throughout the show...

I can't think of any. I was hoping you could remind me what you're thinking of.
You don't have to remember every one.
I just want to know what you're talking about because I'm not sure if I would agree that it is a sign for that.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, I just want to know more specifically what you're referring to.

by **anneavatard** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:11 pm

Since it's been confirmed that the 'Escape from the Spirit World' online comics are canon, I will say this.
Yangchen tells Aang that 'The Avatar must be compassionate towards all people... And the only way to do that is to live with them.'
Now, that quote goes with a picture of Katara, Sokka, Toph, Iroh and Zuko. So Zuko will, sooner or later, join the GAang.
Aang is a spiritual reincarnation of Roku, Zuko a relative. But they aren't connected by bloodlines.

by **Pleh** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:34 pm

Since it's been confirmed that the 'Escape from the Spirit World' online comics are canon, I will say this.
Yangchen tells Aang that 'The Avatar must be compassionate towards all people... And the only way to do that is to live with them.'
Now, that quote goes with a picture of Katara, Sokka, Toph, Iroh and Zuko. So Zuko will, sooner or later, join the GAang.
Aang is a spiritual reincarnation of Roku, Zuko a relative. But they aren't connected by bloodlines.

Good point. However, Aang is currently living with Fire Nation people right now.

by **cerebralassassin** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:37 am

At the end of the Blue Spirit...you see Zuko lying in the bed...and he is thinking about what Aang was saying ealier about them two being friends...he gets frustrated and turns around and we see a flag of the Fire Nation...which tells us that Zuko would pursue a friendship with Aang...but his loyalty to the Fire Nation hinders him from doing so...thats just one...would you like another?

by **Pleh** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:51 pm

That scene just solidifies my position as far as I can tell. (we might not be disagreeing here.)
My point is that the biggest thing standing between Zuko and Aang right now is the inner conflict of Roku and Sozin within Zuko.
The scene you described supports my position absolutely if you understand that Zuko also wanted the flag.
He wants to be a prince. He wants to be accepted by his people and his father. Part of him wants to dominate the world as his father does.
The problem is that the other part of him wants peace.
In almost all my posts, my point has been that the key issue at stake is what began in CROD.

Most people thought that that was the end of his decision making. I see it as the beginning.

And yes, another example would be much appreciated.

Website · by **zuko614** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:55 pm

aang is not related to roku. he is roku's reincarnation. not his blood relative or anything.

by **Pleh** » Fri May 23, 2008 1:44 am

But they are the same person, yes?
More than this crude matter are we. Luminous beings we are.
(Okay, if you can't guess who I'm quoting there, you're not near nerdy enough for your own good.)

So what if the blood isn't the same? The soul is what matters. I think that's one of the central points that the entire series tries to make in many different ways.
It's all about who you are and what you do with that.

It's obvious that Zuko and Aang aren't related by blood, otherwise Aang would be a firebender or Zuko would be an airbender.

But note that, at first, Roku and Azulon were on very good terms.
Then, before either of them knew of their "relationship" Aang was already hypothesizing that they might've been friends if it hadn't been for the war.

No, perhaps blood doesn't have much to do with it, but I think spiritual relationships might be even more important in defining how they are related.

Website · by **zuko614** » Fri May 23, 2008 6:14 pm

to stop all of this:
technically, they are not related
spirit-wise, they are

by **Met** » Fri May 23, 2008 8:17 pm

good point, i didnt consider that fact before. i'm not really sure this as significant a thing as u might think...

PS: are the episodes 316+ still coming out on july 14th onwards?

Website · by **zuko614** » Fri May 23, 2008 8:53 pm

hopefully, western air temple will air on july 14

by **Pleh** » Sat May 24, 2008 3:02 pm

But why would we stop? Isn't the point to debate and enjoy the debate?

Aang is the reincarnation of Roku, who was Zuko's great-grandfather. They are the same person.
No, by blood they aren't related, but how weird would it be to be taught bending by your own great-grandson?
Spirit or flesh, it's still cosmic irony. Don't you think?

by **Kiara** » Sat May 24, 2008 3:15 pm

yes they are related spiritually - Aang by his past reincarnation; and Zuko by his great grandfather.
I wouldnt call them "related" in the common sense, more like "spiritually tied" throught their pasts

youre right pleh it is quite ironic :)

Website · by **zuko614** » Wed May 28, 2008 3:07 am

yay, ki agrees with me :)

I wonder if something special like that would allow him under weird circumstances to enter the spirit world(like Iroh apparently has at some point)

by **Kiara** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:25 pm

hmmm maybe, nice idea
I doubt it will happen though in the episodes we have left .. but, you never know with avatar

Website · by **zuko614** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:13 pm

since there are so few episodes left, I do doubt it will happen. but if there were more, then I think it would be rather likely.

by **Pleh** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:10 am

Actually, I think the likelihood of Zuko entering the spirit world is directly proportional to his need to find something or someone he couldn't otherwise.

What happens to people who die? Do they reincarnate like the Avatar?
Or do they go to the spirit world?

If they go to the spirit world, it may be that Zuko will get to go see his mother there for a brief time as a reward for choosing the right path.
Maybe Aang will be his guide to getting there and coming back.

Website · by **zuko614** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:47 am

I think zuko going into the spirit world is less likely than him seeing his mom

by **sokkaslove** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:40 pm

pleh wrote:I think what the creators had in mind was the idea of the lives of Sozin and Roku being relived through Aang and Zuko.
Aang is Roku reincarnated, Zuko is Sozin's descendent.
Once again, it is Avatar vs Heir/Firelord.
Remember when Aang asked Zuko if he thought that they would have been friends?
I think that was an echo of the broken friendship that Sozin and Roku had.
That's where Zuko's actions become critical.
He will decide if he will undo Sozin's mistakes or repeat them.
In the end, Zuko will probably have the power to kill Aang or to rescue him. Just like in CROD.
His decision will determine the end of our story.

i think they're kinda opposites. sozin and roku started out friends then changed to enemies while zuko and aang started out enemies and became friends.

again with the opposites! yin and yang blah de blah! *phew*

by **Pleh** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:07 pm

I don't see them as opposites.
I see them as a continuation.

A crack between the best of friends, Roku and Sozin, lasted a hundred years.
What I was trying to say was that I believe Zuko was destined to fix what Sozin broke.
More likely than not, he'll use the same comet to fix what has been broken in the Fire Nation.

by **earthninja** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:39 am

'poor zuko everythimg is based on him, i think you guys are taking it too seriously maybe it was a coincidence and just because aang was roku in a past life, it dosent mean zuko and aang are related......

Who is online